This right here, is why there will never be peace.

I don't know if it's a cultural thing, but the vast majority of Amarrians refuse to acknowledge that they did something wrong. They take the cowardly apologist approach instead.

If your beloved Emperor gave a rats ass about civilian casualties, he wouldn't have slaughtered and enslaved them by the millions. Just admit you ****** up and that you will never do what you did again and most people will forgive you. This apologist attitude almost makes the Elder attacks justifiable.

There are two kinds of Amarrians, the ones like Mr.Barraca who want their Empire to progress to a more peaceful and tolerant society, and jerks like the OP who say things along the lines of "you should be thankful that we didn't wipe all of you out; just enslaved you!"

The highly respected Tribeswoman Ava Starfire has put forth above a sincere and moderate proposal.

It correctly balances the reality of proper justice versus the passions of righteous vengeance. Criminal acts have been committed and can not be swept away with polite words alone. Centuries of horrific slavery and pillaging can not be counter balanced by the few years of armed resistance and sabotage enacted by freedom fighters and or terrorists.

The Amarr conquered our worlds and killed untold millions with inhumane orbital bombardments, they still hold some of our ancestral worlds and billions of Matari in vicious slavery and speak of being compensated if they should ever return said worlds and free those held in illegal bondage.

Compensation for what you stole? Compensation for the generations you enslaved? To be allowed to remain an Empire after you have released our worlds and freed our people is a greater compensation then you could ever hope for.

War criminals must be prosecuted, Concord must enforce that Amarr will not trespass in Minmatar space ever again, and a modest tax on every transaction made by Amarrians anywhere in New Eden of say 3% should be levied and administered by the Sisters of Eve to help defer the cost of relocation and recovery from slavery by the Matari freed from slavery for the next twenty years.

To not accept the fair terms presented by the highly respected Tribeswoman Ava Starfire with the addition of the relocation and recovery tax means any talk of peace between the Minmatar Republic and the Amarr Empire is just that, talk.

You completely misunderstood my comment, it was not a thinly veiled threat, it was an honest statement of reason. To inflict horrible crimes for centuries and then still be accepted at the table of civilization when you do no more then just stop is a fantastic deal, far better then they deserve, but in the interest of moving forward the Minmatar must move away from vengeance and embrace a future that does not require active warfare.

Because administration of support funds had been diverted to more offensive efforts I proposed a neutral respected third party to manage the taxes levied so such a thing could never happen again. If you think putting safeguards in place to disable the mistakes of the past repeating themselves is a fantasy, then I must conclude you do not want peace.

Demand the Empire release slaves.
Commit acts of treachery by breaking the interstellar treaties and launching a surprise attack.
Empire releases slaves.
Condemn it as an act of treachery.


You couldn't make this up. Is Maleatu Shakor secretly a columnist with the Gutter Press ?

I will grant you the benefit of doubt and state that you are merely wrong. The Republic is up to the challenge. It sounds much like hogwash to me, "They'll all starve" & "Your economy will collapse" are easy to toss out because it maintains the putrid status quo.

Millions of Matari suffer atrocities everyday in Amarr space now, you are content to say any effort to end it by force of arms will make it worst, I say Poppycock! The violence against Amarrians could increase ten thousand fold and they would not match the violence they continue to commit, we ask them for peace but will not sit idly by for another nine generations for them to declare us all criminals and as such still subject to slavery. If this must be solved by the knife mine is sharp and blood soaked already.

And the alternative? To be patient? To do nothing?

How long do people expect us to wait, exactly?

Sadly the predictable psychosis afflicting numerous freed slaves as well as the statistically projectable many current slaves as exhibited in these forums by the likes of Eran, Samira, Lyn, and several others is indicative of the well known GÇ£hostage syndromeGÇ¥ where the hostage starts to, after an incredibly short period of time, identify with the hostage taker.

This form of perverse psychological illness is only exaggerated by years of enslavement for the poor souls who succumb to it. With Eran, Samira, and Lyn the persistence of their delusions, lies, and transference of guilt for their current wretched state is both heart breaking and textbook perfect.

The psychologically damaged, just another bit of the legacy of enslavement the Minmatar people will have to deal with long after any peace treaty is signed.

If you are not familiar with the Hostage Syndrome I'd suggest you start your research there.

All part of the Big Plan.

Of course, we'd have to teach her how to properly speak Sebiestor. Damned southerners.

By what method did you get to the surface?

We may have to agree to disagree on the centralized structure, as I've found them to be much more beneficial in promoting the rule of law and order. But I do agree that it's far easier to deal with the council rather than the former Republic. They had a Gallente system of democracy, their tribal structure, and still invested considerable power in the hands of their Sanmatar before the reshuffle. While somewhat dangerous, it does provide opportunities so that, when that unrest does break out, if you've signed peace treaties respected by, say, five or six tribes, you can handle the repercussions that echo outside the Republic.

Peace is found in victory.
Peace will only be found when the Cluster is reclaimed. Until then there will just be periods of not fighting.

If you have ever gotten the feeling that some Amarr (not all) that you meet are sizing you up for a slave collar - then we have something in common.

We didn't bend knee for the Federation Navy, Kehrner. Your Book O' Religion has a lot less leverage. Get used to it.

Any Caldari worth their weight in salt WILL fight when some jaijii starts looking to impose themselves on us. Learn a lesson here from history... Leave us alone, and you'll be able to hang onto whatever worldview you want to fool yourself with a lot longer.

Those still participating in the "war" seem to desperately want to cover their eyes and pretend that their actions and mere existence is somehow meaningful, some might say.